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Hi Guys,

So, it hasn't quite been a month since I spoke my big piece about "going commercial," and all that jazz.

Well, I want to modify the tune I'm singing.

...and I've been sitting here for five minutes, trying to figure out how to say it best.

First, thanks to all who read the last journal entry, and were very, very supportive.  You guys are awesome.

Things have been happening lately that are pushing me ever more towards the realization that I'd rather be helping the community than just chasing dollars.  I suck at being commercial.  It's not built into my nature.

So here's the deal.

I want to get back into "free stuff."  I want to be building models (and other things) that the DA community can use for personal and commercial purposes.  I want to keep going with this little universe I'm creating via "The Wanderer's Guide," and have that be available to folks for free as a universe where they can set RPG's, books, movies, whatever.

But!

I need help.  I need help from people who understand how there might be some sort of system (even an informal one) to get donations/ sponsorship/ something-I-have-no-preconceived-notions-about for this kind of thing.

I don't know.

Literally.

You tell me.

To paraphrase Col. John Boyd: I'm just a dumb 3D artist.  I don't understand all this stuff.

I will say this, because I know this:  The portfolio for this is up here in my gallery.  I think I have some good work, and some lackluster work that seemed good at the time.  "The Wanderer's Guide" does have a framework in place by way of a database back end, and anyone who wants to get a "snapshot" of it is welcome to it.  I really want to keep using Vue, but I want to emphasize open-source as well.

...and dang it, I want to be able to work in such a way that my output serves the community (even if just in a little niche sort of way), and also in such a way that the end user is treated as a friend and not a criminal.

Anybody got some ideas? :D
  • Mood: Optimism
  • Listening to: The CD's that Joel lent me.
  • Reading: Boyd
  • Watching: Mystery!
  • Playing: FLYFF (I kinda don't want to admit it, but...)
  • Eating: Goulash
  • Drinking: Lemonade
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:iconxero-sama:
`xero-sama Oct 10, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Hey, I know how you feel man. I ain't commercial myself :)

Now, you could actually just ask for donations via Paypal and such :nod:
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:icondmaland:
~dmaland Oct 12, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah Xero, I think I'm going to look into that a bit. Thanks!
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:iconluchare:
There's always sharecg.com but....i kind of moved over to DA from them , i didn't like the people all that much. Occasionally you might get a growing obsolete 'thank you' but there is an option for people to donate to you. But thanks to you I have set myself up as a vendor over at [link]

There isn't much Vue or Bryce stuff over there so you could try them. I haven't put anything up yet, I am still working on ideas.

"I suck at being commercial. It's not built into my nature." What do you mean, you didn't sell anything?
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:icondmaland:
~dmaland Oct 13, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey Luchare,

That's very cool that you got yourself set up over at DDU. I hope your experience is a good one.

The "I suck at" comment was mostly directed at how I just don't seem to do well at commercial ventures. I always manage to talk myself into trying again ("maybe this one will be different..."), but I'm just not of the mindset that does well at "pure" business.

However, the comment did also touch on how slow things are going over on the commercial site.

Ultimately, though, I have to ask myself if I want to not make a whole bunch of money, but maybe make some folks happy with some "free toys," or if I want to not make a whole bunch of money while giving nobody anything. I think the first choice makes more sense, really... :)
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:iconluchare:
I didnt realise setting up as a vendor was so difficult - especially when it comes to the W8 and W9 forms to fill out, I was like: "Huh?" That and I kind of looked at the textures I made and thought, "I don't think I am ready for the big wide commercial world just yet." Personally I think selling stuff makes you more critical about your own stuff, if that makes sense. Kind of takes some creativity out of the whole scene. Or something.
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:icondmaland:
~dmaland Oct 14, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, paperwork is a mean dog. I "hear ya" about how selling makes you nitpick, but I don't think you should worry too much. I say, just put it out there - someone is bound to like it (I mean, a whole bunch of us already like your work right now, right?) :)
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:iconluchare:
:hug:!!! thanks for that comment

Thats the problem though, i kind of look at stuff and think: "What hasn't been done already?" Most of the stuff that is a little bit different i put up in sharecg but those people over there - i dont know what it is - they bitch about things that are free. I would rather put them up over here, at least people here appreciate things. Someone over there actually complained that i had too many settings in my Bryce mats, so that was it with them.
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:iconfullmetalfreak7:
Sorry your other plans didn't work. I don't have any idea to help. I hope everything works out well!
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:icondmaland:
~dmaland Oct 13, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks FF!
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:iconsilver-:
I am working on book art for a sci-fi book.
We could perhaps work together on it.
Need to make the cover and other art for the book and promotions.

I think that I will continue like you to build the whole universe from the book.
Detailed discriptions of worlds, species, characters and ships.
I'll ask if I can send you the first chapter of the book that you can check it out.
Maybe we can do building together, there is no art of any sort so I got slot of creative freedom and building characters from the ground up is awsome but a challenge.

I only know one freeware 3D program and that is blender.
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